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		<title>By: Estelle Chauvelin</title>
		<link>http://www.courtneymilan.com/ramblings/2009/02/06/how-long-is-too-long/comment-page-1/#comment-8811</link>
		<dc:creator>Estelle Chauvelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with copyright lasting as long as the life of the author, and maybe just a bit longer.  A person who writes some phenominal successes early in life should be able to continue to make money off of them as long as they remain in demand, and the author&#039;s spouse probably shouldn&#039;t be cut off from that immediately upon the author&#039;s death.  Seventy years after death?  Way too much.  If the author&#039;s widow or widower is still living off of that money after seventy years, then the author was doing some pretty severe cradle-robbing, and the author&#039;s descendents shouldn&#039;t need nearly that much time to make their own money.  The most I can see being reasonable is life+twenty years so that if said author had a baby just before dying, that kid would have a chance to grow up before the money went away.

Fanfiction should be unambiguously allowed because nobody is making money off of it.  Profiting off of somebody else&#039;s ideas (while they still have copyright) without permission is wrong, and trying to pass off somebody else&#039;s ideas for your own is wrong, but there&#039;s nothing wrong with writing down the &quot;what if?&quot; ideas you have based on somebody else&#039;s work and sharing them for free when everybody knows what is from the source and what is original.  Anybody who thinks that fanon *is* canon is delusional and not worth the original author&#039;s concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with copyright lasting as long as the life of the author, and maybe just a bit longer.  A person who writes some phenominal successes early in life should be able to continue to make money off of them as long as they remain in demand, and the author&#8217;s spouse probably shouldn&#8217;t be cut off from that immediately upon the author&#8217;s death.  Seventy years after death?  Way too much.  If the author&#8217;s widow or widower is still living off of that money after seventy years, then the author was doing some pretty severe cradle-robbing, and the author&#8217;s descendents shouldn&#8217;t need nearly that much time to make their own money.  The most I can see being reasonable is life+twenty years so that if said author had a baby just before dying, that kid would have a chance to grow up before the money went away.</p>
<p>Fanfiction should be unambiguously allowed because nobody is making money off of it.  Profiting off of somebody else&#8217;s ideas (while they still have copyright) without permission is wrong, and trying to pass off somebody else&#8217;s ideas for your own is wrong, but there&#8217;s nothing wrong with writing down the &#8220;what if?&#8221; ideas you have based on somebody else&#8217;s work and sharing them for free when everybody knows what is from the source and what is original.  Anybody who thinks that fanon *is* canon is delusional and not worth the original author&#8217;s concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya M.</title>
		<link>http://www.courtneymilan.com/ramblings/2009/02/06/how-long-is-too-long/comment-page-1/#comment-8798</link>
		<dc:creator>Maya M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 04:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Lawyers really do think about different types of things than other people.  Would never have occured to me to ponder this.

Is it known that the original reasoning for that length of time was?  To be able to evaluate whether those parameters still exist or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Lawyers really do think about different types of things than other people.  Would never have occured to me to ponder this.</p>
<p>Is it known that the original reasoning for that length of time was?  To be able to evaluate whether those parameters still exist or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Tessa Dare</title>
		<link>http://www.courtneymilan.com/ramblings/2009/02/06/how-long-is-too-long/comment-page-1/#comment-8789</link>
		<dc:creator>Tessa Dare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s way too long.  I also heartily agree about fanfiction! ;)

I think my feelings about the general issue are similar to yours, but I probably arrive at them from a different place.  I&#039;m not a legal scholar, so I don&#039;t really think about the laws that often or intricately.  But I never understand it when authors get in a snit over Google Books or fanfiction or the like, saying &quot;These are MY books and MY characters!  How dare they!&quot;  If I wanted them to stay MY books and MY characters, I wouldn&#039;t publish them?.  I publish with the hope that the stories and characters I create will become something much more than &quot;mine.&quot;  The magic of fiction, to me, comes in the interaction between the author&#039;s text and the reader&#039;s imagination. There are some literary characters and fictional worlds that gain such mass in the collective imagination, they really do take on a life of their own.  Hamlet, Harry Potter, Holden Caufield, Elizabeth Bennet, Buffy.  To create something that ceases to be &quot;mine&quot; and becomes &quot;society&#039;s&quot;--dang, that&#039;s the holy grail of authorship, in my eyes.  

In other words, I think it is my fondest hope to inspire rampant copyright infringement. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s way too long.  I also heartily agree about fanfiction! <img src='http://www.courtneymilan.com/ramblings/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think my feelings about the general issue are similar to yours, but I probably arrive at them from a different place.  I&#8217;m not a legal scholar, so I don&#8217;t really think about the laws that often or intricately.  But I never understand it when authors get in a snit over Google Books or fanfiction or the like, saying &#8220;These are MY books and MY characters!  How dare they!&#8221;  If I wanted them to stay MY books and MY characters, I wouldn&#8217;t publish them?.  I publish with the hope that the stories and characters I create will become something much more than &#8220;mine.&#8221;  The magic of fiction, to me, comes in the interaction between the author&#8217;s text and the reader&#8217;s imagination. There are some literary characters and fictional worlds that gain such mass in the collective imagination, they really do take on a life of their own.  Hamlet, Harry Potter, Holden Caufield, Elizabeth Bennet, Buffy.  To create something that ceases to be &#8220;mine&#8221; and becomes &#8220;society&#8217;s&#8221;&#8211;dang, that&#8217;s the holy grail of authorship, in my eyes.  </p>
<p>In other words, I think it is my fondest hope to inspire rampant copyright infringement. <img src='http://www.courtneymilan.com/ramblings/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sherry Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherry Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize copyright ran quite that long.  I mean, I&#039;m going to live another 70 years and then there&#039;s another 70 years on top of it.  

You are right, doesn&#039;t neeed to be quite THAT long.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize copyright ran quite that long.  I mean, I&#8217;m going to live another 70 years and then there&#8217;s another 70 years on top of it.  </p>
<p>You are right, doesn&#8217;t neeed to be quite THAT long.  <img src='http://www.courtneymilan.com/ramblings/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Elyssa Papa</title>
		<link>http://www.courtneymilan.com/ramblings/2009/02/06/how-long-is-too-long/comment-page-1/#comment-8787</link>
		<dc:creator>Elyssa Papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhhh, now I understand it totally. My brain wasn&#039;t computing it before. Sorry for my stupidity. Yeah, that&#039;s definitely too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhh, now I understand it totally. My brain wasn&#8217;t computing it before. Sorry for my stupidity. Yeah, that&#8217;s definitely too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noooo!  Copyright expires!  It must, or at least, it should.  (Here&#039;s frowning at you, Britain, for Peter Pan--boo!)  Shakespeare is public domain.  So is Jane Austen.  John Donne.  Mozart.  Bach.  Beethoven.

Copyright is willed just like anything else.  I can will my copyright to anyone, who can then give it (or sell it in toto) to anyone, anyone at all--almost as if it were a car or a house.

The difference is that my copyright expires 70 years after my death, and I think that&#039;s too long.

I don&#039;t see copyright as something that&#039;s *mine*.  I see it as something that belongs to society--I let you guys read what I wrote for all time, in return, you give me the chance to make a little money off it for a limited time.  No reason society should give me something in exchange for nothing.

Life+70 years is effectively perpetual copyright--and I hate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noooo!  Copyright expires!  It must, or at least, it should.  (Here&#8217;s frowning at you, Britain, for Peter Pan&#8211;boo!)  Shakespeare is public domain.  So is Jane Austen.  John Donne.  Mozart.  Bach.  Beethoven.</p>
<p>Copyright is willed just like anything else.  I can will my copyright to anyone, who can then give it (or sell it in toto) to anyone, anyone at all&#8211;almost as if it were a car or a house.</p>
<p>The difference is that my copyright expires 70 years after my death, and I think that&#8217;s too long.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see copyright as something that&#8217;s *mine*.  I see it as something that belongs to society&#8211;I let you guys read what I wrote for all time, in return, you give me the chance to make a little money off it for a limited time.  No reason society should give me something in exchange for nothing.</p>
<p>Life+70 years is effectively perpetual copyright&#8211;and I hate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Elyssa Papa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elyssa Papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to make sense of this whole thing. I never really thought about copyright except to think that rights belonged to the author, not the publishing company. Part of me thinks that if you worked so hard on this book, earn money from the sales of said book, and in 100 years, your book is still making sales, then, yes, it&#039;d be nice to have your descendants get a slice of that pie. But if your line dies out, then who gets the money? Does anyone own the copyright to Shakespeare or Austen, and if so, who gets the money off those sales? 

And I know it&#039;s not just about money, but what can happen in the direction of future books. Who&#039;s the family of the deceased author who has absolute control over his works, and if I remember correctly, the family got into some legal snafu with another author when they wanted to publish a sequel to a book? (Or something like that, my memory remembers the barest of bones on that one).

I guess I would want the rights to belong to me, but I would also need a lawyer to explain it to me what copyright laws meant and what that entailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to make sense of this whole thing. I never really thought about copyright except to think that rights belonged to the author, not the publishing company. Part of me thinks that if you worked so hard on this book, earn money from the sales of said book, and in 100 years, your book is still making sales, then, yes, it&#8217;d be nice to have your descendants get a slice of that pie. But if your line dies out, then who gets the money? Does anyone own the copyright to Shakespeare or Austen, and if so, who gets the money off those sales? </p>
<p>And I know it&#8217;s not just about money, but what can happen in the direction of future books. Who&#8217;s the family of the deceased author who has absolute control over his works, and if I remember correctly, the family got into some legal snafu with another author when they wanted to publish a sequel to a book? (Or something like that, my memory remembers the barest of bones on that one).</p>
<p>I guess I would want the rights to belong to me, but I would also need a lawyer to explain it to me what copyright laws meant and what that entailed.</p>
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